Shweta Thakur posted an Question
July 25, 2020 • 01:02 am 30 points
  • IIT JAM
  • Chemistry (CY)

Plz explain the reason for this order .... r, -nh enu) -i (4) o0 -pr, <-ph, -asr < -ash, sbr < -sbh

-NR, -NH ENU) -I (4) O0 -PR, <-PH, -AsR < -AsH, SbR < -SbH

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    Dinesh khalmaniya 1 best-answer

    As the size increase, stereic hinderence of groups attached to it decreases. so in case of PR3+ have less stereic hinderence so here +I effect of alkyl groups dominant and hence increase the electron density on P atom so it has less -I than PH3+ which doesn't have such any groups which increases electron density

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    got it??

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    what about nh3 and nr3 which has higher -i effect

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    here size of N is less compair to P so bulky groups on less size experience more stereic hinderence so here stereic hinderence of R dominant

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    so NR3+ have more -I than NH3+

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    more the stereic hinderence more is the bond angle right?? more is the %s character. and more is the -I effect

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    up to down size increase so less steric hinderence. so +I effect of R will be dominant over steric hinderence.

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    ok sir

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    sir plz explain again .... how ph3has high -i

  • Suman Kumar

    This is the order for what Sweta

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    please send full image 🙏

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    Will you please respond dear 🙏

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    sry for the late reply

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    Do you know Drago 's Compound

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    no

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    These PH3 , SbH3 , AsH3. All are drago 's. Compound . They don't undergo hybridization

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    https://youtu.be/GfKmguqX-2g

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    First see this video

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    ok sir

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    Did you watch the video

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    no sir

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    If you get time please watch this.

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    In phosphorus onwards steric factor don't dominate. But in case of Nitrogen steric factor is dominant.

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    sir why ph3 has high -i effect than pr3+

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    That's what I am saying. Due to +I effect of Alkyl group +ve charge on phosphorus is reduced.

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    so pr3is more stable

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    Yes Sweta

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    I m not getting

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    ph3 main Jada - I effect kyin Hoga

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    Priyanshu kumar Best Answer

    wait explaining

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    see, what happens over here is : in case of NH3+ the bond angle will be less as compared to that in NR3+ due to bulky nature of R group the repulsions increases in turn which increases the bond angle in NR3+. Now there is a relation between bond angle and %s character which is “As %s character increases bond angle also increases ( like in sp2 hybridization bond angle is 120 and %s is 33.3 whereas in sp bond angle is 180 and %s is 50)” Since % s increases thus the electronegetivty of N in NR3+ also increases thus it's a better -I group than NH3+

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    the trend changes on going down the group and here the electronegative factor and inductive effect factor decreases so dominance factor is here EN AND -I not steric repulsions

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    read this shweta👆...any doubt in this then please ask😊🙏

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    samagh ni aa rha sir

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    have you read it

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    this is the whole page

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    yes wait on copy i m explaining

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    see this shweta

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    got shweta??

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    please respond shweta 😊

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    ok sir

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    got shweta??

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    wait sir

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    okk😊

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    sir ph3+main -i effect Jada kyun hai

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    than pr3+

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    down the group size gets increases so repulsion gets less...so bond angle less and +I effect of R also comes into effect...so Ph3+ has more -I effect

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    ok sir

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    please accept the answer shweta if it helps😊🙏

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    ok sir

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    sir but r give +I effect n them how??

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    alkyl group is electron donating group show +I effect

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    then why they are considering it in -i effect

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    the page u send here..it is showing how variation in -I effect and how steric repulsions comes into effect in case of NR3+ and reduces down the group

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    ok sir

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    sir here nh3+ is stable than nr3+...

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    https://youtu.be/fbJyxlBieBc shweta see this video from 27 min you can clearly understand

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    after that any doubt then please ask😊

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    ok

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    thanku

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    😊

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    shweta it helps or not??

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    ya I got my answer sir

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    it really helps

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    some concept are there in chemistry which by example you can understand simply...so some video explanation helps in this

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    yes sir

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